Social Routing

topic posted Wed, November 5, 2003 - 1:51 AM by  Zbigniew Luk...
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I've compiled my thoughts from the "Speculations on FOAF..." on this page: artcom-studio.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
. The goal is to make a programming project out of this (but of course this is the very early preliminary stage).

Please be invited to continue the conversation there.
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  • Re: Social Routing

    Wed, November 5, 2003 - 2:03 AM
    A really good start Zbigniew !
    • Re: Social Routing

      Wed, November 5, 2003 - 9:18 AM
      shall I blog this and point a few others to it? Is it for public consumption?
      • Re: Social Routing

        Wed, November 5, 2003 - 12:08 PM
        It is definitely for public. Should I be affraid of the mass of people coming?

        Currently the server is down - I hope it will be no longer than a couple of hours, but I ask you to postpone the linking.
        • Re: Social Routing

          Wed, November 5, 2003 - 2:21 PM
          Still down. I would also like to work on the programming project. I am trying to juggle a few things to get the time and money so I can devote some serious time to this project.
          • Re: Social Routing

            Wed, November 5, 2003 - 2:28 PM
            I went back and re-read the 'requirements for a foaf'. Also completed the ASN(Augmented Social Network) One important point: they recognized that trust is contextual and did not try to incorporate a global 'reputation mechanism'. Why? Because what is 'good' in one community is not necessarily good in another. Thus, they decoupled identity from reputation which I think is very wise. Identity is global; reputation local.
            • Re: Social Routing

              Wed, November 5, 2003 - 2:59 PM
              And up again.

              The locality of reputation is actually the centre of my reasoning as well.
              • Re: Social Routing

                Thu, November 6, 2003 - 8:11 PM
                • Re: Social Routing

                  Thu, November 6, 2003 - 8:13 PM
                  Reputation should ripple out from locality. I.E. get vaguer and less exact as you move away from the center of somebody, but not disappear.
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                    Re: Social Routing

                    Fri, November 7, 2003 - 12:09 AM
                    I would argue that the process of decreasing the reputation value while crossing the links should be local to the links.

                    That is there should not be a generall formula for everybody - but rather each node would decide for itself how to do that.
                    • Re: Social Routing

                      Mon, January 26, 2004 - 11:44 AM
                      I agree with you on this. But would there be a standard set of reputation calculators for different sorts of relationships? Or would it be based on someone's personality type?

                      In order to analyze the reputation of someone, I can see the need for some standardization of reputation / net cred calculation. Biz to biz cred would be a lot different than gamer cred and so on, but they each might need a commonly accepted means of karmic routing.

                      - JML
  • Re: Social Routing

    Mon, January 26, 2004 - 11:26 AM
    This is great.

    I would argue that the routing of "karmic reputation" to near parties should occur in the analysis of individual foaf files. Perhaps services such as eBay could also play a role (as they have so effectively demonstrated with their reputation system).

    When I was in high school I used to play Warlords. It had this simple feature which allowed people to state whether they had "friendliness" or "loathing" for an other player, or even "neutrality", and so on. Perhaps we can create a relatively open means for one person to express his opinion of another person. These opinions could have a strength rating, as well as room to explain why you feel that wat.

    This sort of data, coupled with a means to create contextual relationships in foaf, could be analyzed by third parties to help strangers decide what sort of relationship they might want to establish with an online (and even offline) persona.

    While such a loose expression of reputation would be highly error-prone, it would allow for the most diversity with strong corrective forces imposed by each participant's community. Most likely people would have to maintain several personae, or the wires between work, home, and various social circles might get crossed.

    - JML
    • Re: Social Routing

      Tue, January 27, 2004 - 9:05 AM
      James ML,
      I like your concept. It is open and I think doable. I don't have a paradigm for working out the architecture but I am sure someone will figure it out.

      Gil

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