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I've compiled my thoughts from the "Speculations on FOAF..." on this page: artcom-studio.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
. The goal is to make a programming project out of this (but of course this is the very early preliminary stage).
Please be invited to continue the conversation there.
. The goal is to make a programming project out of this (but of course this is the very early preliminary stage).
Please be invited to continue the conversation there.
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Re: Social Routing
Wed, November 5, 2003 - 2:03 AMA really good start Zbigniew ! -
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Re: Social Routing
Wed, November 5, 2003 - 9:18 AMshall I blog this and point a few others to it? Is it for public consumption? -
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Re: Social Routing
Wed, November 5, 2003 - 12:08 PMIt is definitely for public. Should I be affraid of the mass of people coming?
Currently the server is down - I hope it will be no longer than a couple of hours, but I ask you to postpone the linking. -
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Re: Social Routing
Wed, November 5, 2003 - 2:21 PMStill down. I would also like to work on the programming project. I am trying to juggle a few things to get the time and money so I can devote some serious time to this project. -
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Re: Social Routing
Wed, November 5, 2003 - 2:28 PMI went back and re-read the 'requirements for a foaf'. Also completed the ASN(Augmented Social Network) One important point: they recognized that trust is contextual and did not try to incorporate a global 'reputation mechanism'. Why? Because what is 'good' in one community is not necessarily good in another. Thus, they decoupled identity from reputation which I think is very wise. Identity is global; reputation local. -
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Re: Social Routing
Wed, November 5, 2003 - 2:59 PMAnd up again.
The locality of reputation is actually the centre of my reasoning as well.
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Re: Social Routing
Thu, November 6, 2003 - 8:13 PMReputation should ripple out from locality. I.E. get vaguer and less exact as you move away from the center of somebody, but not disappear. -
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Re: Social Routing
Fri, November 7, 2003 - 12:09 AMI would argue that the process of decreasing the reputation value while crossing the links should be local to the links.
That is there should not be a generall formula for everybody - but rather each node would decide for itself how to do that. -
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Re: Social Routing
Mon, January 26, 2004 - 11:44 AMI agree with you on this. But would there be a standard set of reputation calculators for different sorts of relationships? Or would it be based on someone's personality type?
In order to analyze the reputation of someone, I can see the need for some standardization of reputation / net cred calculation. Biz to biz cred would be a lot different than gamer cred and so on, but they each might need a commonly accepted means of karmic routing.
- JML
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Re: Social Routing (change of location!!)
Thu, November 6, 2003 - 11:30 AMAfter some struggling with the PurpleWiki I decided to use Kwiki instead. So the new link is:
artcom-studio.com/kwiki/index.cgi
The server should not go down in the nearest future. So I am ready.
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Re: Social Routing (change of location!!)
Thu, November 6, 2003 - 9:15 PMre : ripple and social routing :
carefully crafted under-the-hood-meta-concepts tied together with keywords, ie pattern languages
to allow as free-form social routing as possible,
rich connectivity, add tags according to measure...
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dude... burnt toast
Mon, January 26, 2004 - 5:59 AM
File Not Found : Plik nie istnieje
Podany w zapytaniu URL: /cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SocialRouting nie zosta -
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Re: dude... burnt toast
Mon, January 26, 2004 - 7:33 AMHere is a new link: zby.aster.net.pl/kwiki/index.cgi?SocialRouting
My previous ISP was too unreliable.
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Re: dude... burnt toast
Mon, January 26, 2004 - 7:59 AMZbigniew,
Excellent start. I went out to your link and it is functioning. Let me digest this stuff and I will attempt to contribute something useful.
Again, thanks for forging ahead. your contribution has been awesome.
Cordially,
Gil
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Re: Social Routing
Mon, January 26, 2004 - 11:26 AMThis is great.
I would argue that the routing of "karmic reputation" to near parties should occur in the analysis of individual foaf files. Perhaps services such as eBay could also play a role (as they have so effectively demonstrated with their reputation system).
When I was in high school I used to play Warlords. It had this simple feature which allowed people to state whether they had "friendliness" or "loathing" for an other player, or even "neutrality", and so on. Perhaps we can create a relatively open means for one person to express his opinion of another person. These opinions could have a strength rating, as well as room to explain why you feel that wat.
This sort of data, coupled with a means to create contextual relationships in foaf, could be analyzed by third parties to help strangers decide what sort of relationship they might want to establish with an online (and even offline) persona.
While such a loose expression of reputation would be highly error-prone, it would allow for the most diversity with strong corrective forces imposed by each participant's community. Most likely people would have to maintain several personae, or the wires between work, home, and various social circles might get crossed.
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Re: Social Routing
Tue, January 27, 2004 - 9:05 AMJames ML,
I like your concept. It is open and I think doable. I don't have a paradigm for working out the architecture but I am sure someone will figure it out.
Gil
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